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  • Dz Acace

    Does anyone know of a good satnav multiple waypoint route planner where you can export to GPX and then import into Beeline?

    I want to plan specific routes around Europe before I go and load them in daily.

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  • Christopher Liggett

    Sorry for a negative response, but I have tried Rever and it does NOT work. Not sure if it's the fault of Rever or Android. The Beeline app uploads the gpx file, but only the start and end points, not all the waypoints that had been created. Had to manually reinsert the waypoints again. Not very convenient.

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  • RichardA

    I use InRoute on iPad and iPhone. which is an excellent route planner and exports GPX files, amongst other formats.  I haven't tried it with my BeeLine yet and Ive only had it a few days.  I do use it with my BMW Navigator but need to use a Mac/PC to load the GPG file into the Navigator.

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  • Csgodenver

    So, I assume ( but I am asking here to be sure) the Beeline Moto does NOT work with the BMW Nav system? I have the NAV5. 

    And if I am also reading these posts correctly the Beeline Moto does NOT load all of the way points from a GPX file ( like the ones I load into my Nav5)? 

    And I am also unclear about the answer to this question the Beeline device only links to the Beeline App for guidance, but I can't load all of the way points from a GPX file into the Beeline app? ( assuming the answer is "no" to those questions) Then why did I buy this device? Are there plans to make the connections I mention above, or to be able for the app to load an entire GPX file?

     

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  • Beeline Team

    Hey guys, yes! We will be releasing full Route Mode on GPX files (loading all of the waypoints) very soon and will be shouting about that when it is ready :). Do you mean planning a route on the BMW route planner and then exporting the GPX and importing it into the Beeline app? That is completely possible! 

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  • Csgodenver

    OK THANK YOU for letting us all know about the "full route mode" you will be releasing , and please do let the community know when change is released. 

    The second part of my question was this. Every BMW ( Garmin made) GPS system is Bluetooth ready. Are there plans ( or can there be) plans to give the beeline the ability to work with the BMW/Garmin Nav system? Even if it is through your app that would be Super helpful. I say that because seeing your device is WAY easier then trying to "watch" the Nav system for turns, etc.. 

     

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  • melensdad

    I use FURKOT for Moto route planning. It exports GPX files to many devices but not directly to Beeline ☹️ Strava is worthless for motorcycle route planning. A direct import from FURKOT, which is popular in the motorcycle community, would come in very handy

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  • Dz Acace

    Thanks melensdad
    FURKOT appears quite good.
    You can air drop it from a Mac to an iPhone and Beeline picks it up.

    Good tip.

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  • melensdad

    HOW ABOUT SOME INSTRUCTIONS on how to do this without it giving me an ERROR?  I've emailed it to myself and Beeline won't open the file.  I've airdropped it to myself and Beeline won't open the file.  I get error messages.  I followed your instructions.  Saved it on my MacBook's desktop, emailed it to myself, opened it on my iPhone ... ERROR.    BTW, the instructions seem out of date?  It says I will have the option to "Import to Beeline" but the option I have from my iPhone is "Copy to Beeline".  

    I've been trying to get this to work most of the day and am getting pretty frustrated with it.  How about sending me either a return authorization or a way to make it actually function?  

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  • Dz Acace

    How many points do you have?
    I have a simple route with 4 points.
    I know Beeline errors if it has too many waypoints (apparently there is a fix for this very soon). Try a more simple route and see if it works.

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  • Beeline Team

    Hey @melensdad - that sounds extremely frustrating! Sorry to hear that you've been encountering this error. Please could you screenshot the error message? I'll update the article right away with 'copy' to Beeline. Thank you :)

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  • melensdad

    Not sure how many points. It’s a simple all roadway Moto route across the state of Indiana. Just under 200 miles. A short leg of a recent trip. I’ll try to get a screen shot and post it later today when I have time

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  • Beeline Team

    Hey @melensdad, great thanks! Also, I replied to your email - would be really handy to have the file itself so that I can take a look at it on my phone. Thanks :)

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  • melensdad

    @Beeline Team, How do I attach a file?

     

    Also I did eventually get some GPX files to work via AirDrop.  They were simple short distances (10-15 miles) with minimal waypoints.  

    I understand (now) that there is a 25 waypoint limit, which is being worked on so it can be increased.  

    I also have, this morning, taken 2 test rides of the Beeline and encountered numerous issues.

     

    TEST #1 this morning at 7:20am: FAIL

    Clearly Beeline is optimized for lower speeds than motorcycle speeds.  

    The route did not exactly match the route that I had uploaded via GPX file.

    A couple miles into the route I missed a RIGHT HAND turn because I didn’t have enough warning to make the turn onto the road it wanted me to turn onto.  Not sure why it wanted me to turn onto a gravel road that was NOT on the mapped route!!!  IT IS WORTH NOTING that I was traveling north on State line road.

    State Line Road is the dividing line between Illinois (left side) and Indiana (right side). My destination was inside Indiana, my point of origin was inside Indiana.  Both destination and point of origin are within 1.25 miles of the Indiana/Illinois state line. But for several miles the directions for each successive turn after that missed right hand turn (back into Indiana) were directing me to turn left, into Illinois. Also of note, state line road is the most direct and the only thru road in the area thru which I was traveling.

    On at least 3, possibly 4, instances it directed me to turn into farm fields where there was NO ROAD and where there has never been a road for for at least as long as I’ve been alive (59 years!)

    On at least 3, possibly many more, instances the direction to turn actually occurred between 50 and a couple hundred feet after the turn. That said I did get warning that the turn was coming up, but the specific turn instruction occurred after the intersection. Not a big deal in the rural area where I was riding but could be a serious problem in a city!

    While I was 3+ miles from my destination, but on the actual roadway of the destination, I was directed to turn off the roadway 4 or 5 times onto roads that were neighborhood roads which did not have a thru passage out the other side or a logical way to get to the destination point because there is a limited access to the destination due to a river that has limited crossing points.

    At about the 2.2 mile mark away from my destination it began navigating me directly to the destination.

     

    TEST #2 this morning, 9:30am:  FAIL

    Leaving the prior destination to return home I had a couple options.

    1. Pick the same route, but choose the REVERSE THE ROUTE option
    2. Choose my home address and let it choose the path


    I initially selected Option 2, checked the map, decided I did not want to go that way. Just a personal choice, it is a clear cut route, no problem with it, just not scenic, and lots of heavy traffic, trucks, etc.

    Returning to my Options, I selected Option 1, with the REVERSE THE ROUTE option selected.  Reviewed the route and it was slightly different than the original route but actually it matched the GPX file I uploaded.

    Started out and all was going along smoothly. Got to a point where I thought I should turn but I was directed to continue straight through an intersection. I went through it. Pretty much in the middle of the block AFTER that intersection and BEFORE then next one I was directed to turn! So 1/2 way between 2 streets and into the yard of some unknown homeowner I was supposed to turn. Hmmm? Should I ... or shouldn't I turn this into an off-road ADV trip? My bike is set up for off-road so why not?

    Well, discretion got the best of me and I opted to go 1/2 block forward and turn right. As soon as I made that right turn the Beeline went into "recalculating" mode.

    I opted to turn around and go back to the intersection where I thought I should turn. Made the turn there, followed the directions home the remainder of the way.

    Of interest are several things.

    1. The REVERSE ROUTE had me take DIFFERENT STREETS than the original route. Not a problem, but still odd.
    2. The visual warning to turn (the actual ^ indicator turns in the direction of the turn) occurs between 0.03 and 0.02 miles from the turn. Roughly 100 to 150 feet before the turn. When traveling 45+ mph that is a problem!!!
    3. The locations of the intersections, while some are accurate, others are off by 50 to 200+ feet. In every case the location of the intersection where I needed to make a turn was indicated AFTER the physical intersection and often between 2 different intersections so I was presuming I needed to turn at the 2nd intersection. Not sure if this is due to a latency issue between the phone and the Beeline? Using the same mapping software on other navigation tools the roads seem to be spot on.
    4. The Beeline is using high speed data via your smartphone, so if you are in rural areas with lack of signal, or 'roaming' out of your network, will this cause serious issues?  Would the Beeline simply have not worked in many areas of our recent 4000 mile trip around the Great Lakes as many places we drove through had NO signal? Just as bad, as I was on an international phone plan my data was was limited and the Beeline seems to require an active data connection so I might have used up my month's worth of international data allocation during the first couple of days!?!
    5. The battery in my iPhone was draining fast while using Beeline.  2 reasonably short rides (about 15 miles each), and a total time from leaving my house to returning to my home was roughly 3 hours.  My battery was down to 39%, I started at 98%.
    6. I MUST constantly watch the Beeline for directions. This is especially true in city/suburban areas with multiple close streets. Unlike other navigation that gives both AUDIO and VISUAL clues, the Beeline ONLY gives VISUAL cues. For a motorcycle this could be a fatal flaw???  FWIW, I had mine mounted about 8" above my motorcycle dash, at the bottom of my field of view so I only had to move my eyes, but not my whole head, to see it.  I can't imagine how people who mount it to their handle bars can safely use a Beeline???



    I really want to like this thing.

    It is a nifty device.

    For bicycles.

    I am at a complete loss at this point as I don't trust this to actually get me where I need to go on a motorcycle given motorcycle speeds.  I understand the distance count down feature, but when there are several possible turn points in close proximity it is very unclear which is the projected turn point, as I found out a couple times.  I do not feel this is safe to use given the Beeline requires me to focus too much visual attention to the display and too little to the roadway and traffic around me.

    Just my opinions.  And I believe if I was a bicycle rider some of my experiences would be different and this would be safe to use at bike speeds.

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  • David Morrissey

    Same, @melensdad. I'm not loving it yet either. As I posted in "Tips + Tricks," I can't get the app to plan a decent route--event when I'm trying to do it manually on a route I actually know. Then, when I'm out on the bike, I've run into the same issues you've mentioned about the indicator coming too late to be of much value or give me much time to react. Really hoping the next update fixes these. Otherwise, I guess I have a beautiful digital paper weight?

    Also, as I mentioned in my other comment in the "Tips + Tricks" section, it would be super useful if the Beeline team posted some basic How-To videos, instead of just linking out to outdated support copy.

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  • Csgodenver

    LOVE the video comment! And would be super helpful.

    I received my Beeline (just in time) to use it on my trip across the UTBDR (Utah Back country Discovery Route), but come to find out I can't use it for that. ( Or any other long ride I want to load into it) So, it will sit here in Denver as I go do the ride with my gear that does do what I need. 

    Deciding if I should just sell this thing, or can I return it? Or are there going to be updates that make this useful to me on an everyday basis?

     

     

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  • melensdad

    @Csgodenver, I am beginning to wonder if it is a phone network issue.  Perhaps a problem with ATT, or Sprint or some other network?  Or maybe its a phone issue with iPhone vs Android?   Or maybe its a combination where iPhones have problems when used on Verizon but Android problem occur when used on T-Mobile?  Or something like that.

    Seems like some people with iPhones have no issues, others have lots of issues.  Some with Android have issues, some don't.  

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