The Good and the Bad

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  • Richard Martin

    I thought the point of the Beeline is not to be a conventional GPS navigation aid. If that's what you need that is what you should buy, not a Beeline

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  • Beeline Team

    Interesting conversation guys, and all points (good and bad!) gratefully received! We fully understand where you're coming from, which is why we are working on turn-by-turn navigation. We thought long and hard about this, and came to the unanimous decision that it won't detract from the core principles of Beeline - compass mode will forever be there. It just adds a layer of granularity to directions, as and when they're needed. We've all been in situations where actually that is precisely the level of information we need. 

    A big part of this work is the rerouting technology, which isn't straightforward (pun not intended, but i'll roll with it). Stay tuned as we finesse these details!

    Cheers,
    Sam

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  • Andrew Tait

    I don't know if this is relevant, but you can skip forward and back through waypoints during a ride. It's useful for ascertaining total distance left too. Top button is next waypoint. Bottom button is previous. I'm like you. Getting list is part of the journey!

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  • Michael Ho

    Yeah I have tried it but it’s still only useful to me if I’ve manually set the waypoints, there’s only a few of them, and I know why I want Via those points...

    In the route planner mode it’s not helpful to me as I can’t be bothered to remember all the waypoints so I’ll know what I’m heading towards and if I missed them...

    It might work for some people but I don’t find it usable as I don’t want to have to consult my phone during the ride...

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  • Andrew Tait

    Richard, you're mostly correct, but this is feature/product request. Effectively Beeline makes Waypoints immutable. The philosophy of it being offline once Go has been pressed forces this, so what the OP is asking for is a shift in that philosophy, at least as an option. However, forcing Beeline into turn-by-turn defeats its simplicity IMO. Its strength is getting away from that. I've ridden a motorbike with full satnav and hated it. Beeline forces you to know the basics of your route and how to navigate. I suspect that once the Beeline Moto is released, we'll have quasi turn-by-turn on our bicycles though.

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  • Peter S

    I don't think that Compass Mode and turn-by-turn navigation are mutually exclusive. Personally I prefer turn-by-turn navigation and would like to see Route Planner suggest waypoints in a more turn-by-turn fashion. But that doesn't mean that Compass mode can't continue to exist too. Indeed, I often use Compass mode even when I know where I'm going purely for the speedometer feature.

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  • Michael Ho

    Hi,

    As I said I’m very happy with compass mode. It’s the reason I bought the device in the first place.

    But after a while you can’t help thinking “wouldn’t it be cool if it gave you directions too”.

    So when route-assistant was added I was happy - but it doesn’t work for me for the reasons I elaborated.

    Then you start thinking “how would I want this to work?” - for me the model would be something like Waze as I use this in my car and it’s great.

    The next question is “how can you use the beeline device to provide functionality similar to a gps?” The major issue as a rider (I always guessed that the rerouting would be technically difficult but as an end user you don’t see that) is UI - what info is provided, when and how? How to best take advantage of the simplicity of the device, which is one of its strengths! But also provide the info necessary for turn-by-tirn navigation without needing to consult the dreaded phone.

    Sam, it’s great that you guys are thinking about this - as others have said I’ll still be using compass mode - but to have a route assistant that worked would be awesome!!!

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  • Coveliers ilja

    In other news, when making my route I've found out that there's

    a limit of waypoints you can set, and this limit is 26 waypoints.

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  • Beeline Team

    Hey! Yep - we're sadly restricted on the number of waypoints due to the Google Maps API. We're looking at work-around solutions at the moment and they're in the pipeline.

    Cheers,

    Sam

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  • Mike Carpenter

    Hi,

    I’ve just been reading through these comments. I can see that there would be a problem in the device not recognising that you’ve missed a turn. Making the arrow turn red would indicate this and still keep a simple UI. Google maps used to cope with a vast number of waypoints but more recently they’ve dumbed it down. It would be better to work off the standard .gpx format rather than tie yourself to Google.

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  • Beeline Team

    Hey Mike! Great minds think alike. We're figuring out the UI for 'off-route' logic, as it's an important part of the work we're doing for both the cycling and motorcycling product.

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